I don't know the model but I was told by a truck driver of a pump shotgun that was hard to find because if you kept the trigger pulled, as you pumped, it would fire. All the improvements make sense, and the guns performance is outstanding. Theres nothing exactly you can point to, except that it lacks the attention to detail in its fit and finish that youll see in higher-priced brands. Only you can decide if the additional performance is worth the additional cost. A Turkish-manufactured, gas-operated shotgun, the Weatherby SA-08 Deluxe comes available in 12-, 20-, and 28-gauge. 00. Bought a Mossberg 930 this spring,light kick even with heavy slugs,cycles crap loads reliably,(federal 1150fps birdshot). Looks great, feels great, and a good option for those that want a Turkish style gun, Classic look, great for those that want a traditional shotgun, Great for tactical or home defense applications, dependable and good ergonomics, Modern features like M-LOK and red dot compatibility. I also own two Berettas with the same Inertia driven action so Im not sure you are not comparing essentially the same gun here. Then perhaps using that top end shotgun is alright. The only reliable method is count the amount of shots you made and make sure they are all done. . And while the gun is not overweight, there are trimmer, lighter choices in semiautos for upland hunting. BLUF. If you have the money and want something that is easier to operate Id recommend semi-auto shotgun. Confidence isn't something you wake up with one day. The LSX clamp adds 4-5oz or so, offsetting the exceptionally light weight of the tube proper. It was so reliable and powerful that military forces all over the world started purchasing it in bulk. The hunts were exciting, but even taking time out to switch guns and trying to make the hunts last, we couldnt stretch them to more than about 40 minutes before we limited. Kel Tec began as a CNC machine shop making firearm components for Grendel Inc., in 1991. They feel great to shoot. 1st choice would be the Weatherby SA-08, and 2nd pick would be the Remington 1187. JavaScript is disabled. LEARN MORE. If so dont be afraid to leave us a message at the end of this post and Ill gladly add it. The 930 is ridiculously sensitive to cleaning; if its a shotgun heavy match you might need to clean it mid-match. The Stoeger Industries M3K competition shotgun is visibly cheaper than the Benelli M2 and Remington Versa Max. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Missed my fav the Saiga 12 - kushnapup variety. Maybe needs some breaking in but that would get ya killed in Nam. From the looks of things the Weatherby made in Turkey made the list, but the Country of Turkey has 200 arms manufacturers companies there. Sounds like the crowd wants more Auto Shotty reviews. The Benelli has the main spring in the stock behind the bolt, the M3k has it around the mag tube, forward of the bolt. Eventually, though, Browning ironed out the kinks, and soon the public fell in love with it. It wasnt that long ago that there was only a handful of reputable semi-auto shotguns on the market. (Legal clones, as Benelli owns Stoeger) Zanderw1199 2 yr. ago. Panzer Arms has produced a remarkably accurate copy of the Benelli M4 platform, including the famous A.R.G.O (Auto-Regulating Gas-Operated) piston-driven semi-auto action and tactical features. We suspect that this is largely due to Hollywood where theyve been featured in more and more action movies. 8+1 capacity, shoots great, looks good too. Three of my buddies have them and only one guys 930 runs reliably. The buttstock pad feels much improved, providing good grip on the shoulder as well as cushion for recoil. Apr 23, 2020. It's basically the Benelli owned subsidiary's replica of the M2. So, we feel confident recommending them to you. Thanks! We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared Available gauge sizes are 12, 20 . So far, the 601 has digested #7, slugs and 00 buck without fail. For home defense if you need to use the gun, the arriving police or sheriff will take the gun out of the house as you go to jail to be booked into the system. Effectively a more refined 930, the Mossberg 940 Pro Tactical is an evolution stemming from feedback from pro shooters like Jerry Miculek as well as shooters like us who buy and modify guns. (or something similar) Inexpensive and absolutely bulletproof. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Everyone keeps telling me I am crazy, but I swear that in the late 50s early 60s, my father had a semiauto shotgun that you would rack like a pump to chamber the first round and then it would work semiauto. They are prized for their quick firepower and reduction in recoil. He now respects the fact that the loading gate likes to fight back. Benelli,s don't seem to need their extractors replaced with Benelli extractors.like the Stoeger does. That said, lot of people shoot M3000s and swear by them. Like with all Benelli models, the M2 is praised for being a dependable semi-automatic shotgun. If youre looking for a great mid-range autoloader thats dependable and fun to shoot, the SA-08 Deluxe is the right shotgun for you. I dont know everything about guns. Finally, competition. May I suggest a financial compromise; have you considered a Benelli Nova? During both of the World Wars, especially in World War II, the Browning Auto 5 became a standard issue weapon. I shoot clays with a friend that has the Benelli and the loading gate has bit him several times, once drawing blood. Right into an m2 that runs and runs and runs. https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/. So the real question is, what type of semi-automatic shotgun do you plan on getting? Customer service is terrible and said it would be months before I could have have them service the shotgun. Shot that sweety in the Corps. Thanks! Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. Date: November 17, 2020 My Stoeger M3500 stopped ejecting shells while out duck hunting. More Interests. Benellis and any other inertia guns are crap! Quickview. (Stoeger, Huglo), or a good thing as was the case with the Weatherby SA-08. If you get a 1301 Comp Pro model, the Kick Off Plus stock makes such a huge difference in the recoil feel. . Do you plan to do a review on magazine/drum-fed shotguns such as the Panzer AR12, Rock River Arms VR80, etc.? My M2 will run for months without that much maintenance. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. This means the Stoeger m2000, m3000, and m3500 shotgun chokes will fit Benelli shotguns that use the Mobil choke system, including: Benelli Super black eagle I, Nova & Super Nova, Legacy, M1, M3, and M4. We already have an account registered for email address Some work trouble-free forever. The shotgun isnt a complicated weapon to begin with. Like Brad said above, I think we may be comparing the same guns.. I have a question, I own a s&w performance center at-15 for about ten years that was able to hit 1/2 MOA with handloads at on time but now I believe the barrel is shot out would like to have the barrel replaced with one equal or better what brand and who can I send it to so the work can be done about $700.00 budget. You can even catch these semi-auto bad guy dispatchers in movies like the recently released John Wick 2. Now, Stoeger does recommend a 150-round break-in period for the M3000, and its entirely possible that by the end of the hunt, our test gun would run perfectly for the next shooter. Got it from kygunco.com for $549 shipped about a month ago. Ive had great luck with the Stoeger M3000 Freedom Defense model. Emptying out a few cartridges in quick succession is a great way to unwind after a long day. Benelli's M4 Tactical is a unique, Auto-Regulating-Gas-Operated (A.R.G.O.) The M3000 weighs a little more and that weight is a little more forward which I do not like. While it would eventually go on to revolutionize the shooting world, it was about as reliable as a broken clock when it was first released, and no one really trusted it. The first Auto 5s were recoil-based and it wasnt under later tactical shotguns emerged on the market that manufacturers started to favor the more robust gas-powered design. Stoeger STF 3000: interchanges with Trulock's Win-Brn-Moss style. More troublesome, though, was the grip cap that fell out of the gun during one hunt. The M3000 lacks the enlarged bolt handle, safety, and release button found on many waterfowl guns. 2. The M3000 seems most suited to the duck blind, but the gun has swivel studs and is drilled and tapped and could readily take on spring turkey duty, too. If you have a gun lover in your family, this is a really good choice and probably the best price youll get at the mid-range level. But I really did not have the money to spend on one, I was going to get the Stoeger M3K but I really did not want a 24 inch barrel. Health&Fitness Nut. Have you ever wanted to empty a half dozen rounds of 12-gauge in just a couple of seconds? benelli m4; benelli semiautomatic shotguns. It was nicknamed the widow maker due to many unintentional discharges. I threw a sling on it and it resides inside the fireplace mantle. We passed guns around during the morning teal hunts. Stoeger M3000 12-Gauge 28 in Shotgun . My M3000 runs the same ammo Benelli's do and chokes on the same ammo that Benelli's do. This gun was probably a winchester 1911 that used a knurled barrel as a charging system.. Remember that these are my own personal recommendations do dont get angry if you disagree. The M4 probably comes closest, but I would still rather have an M3. One of the advantage of using a semi-automatic version is that once all the cartridges are cleared the gun will lock to the rear. Get proficient on YOUR time. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. Ive tried to blend price with quality here to give you a best of both worlds. I shoot regular with a couple guys that have the m3k. Adding to the M3000s versatility is that Stoeger offers reasonably priced extra barrels for the gun, so for an extra couple hundred dollars you can get a different barrel length or a fully rifled, cantilever barrel to make it into a deer gun. It is a smooth shooter for a 12 ga. Based in Cocoa, Florida, this firearms manufacturer is now one of the top five handgun makers in the United States, and one of the largest worldwide. Of those three, the only one I might have a problem with is the small safety which could be harder to find and operate with a numb finger in cold weather. At $550, the SA is $80 cheaper than the 1187 ($630). Agree 100% (Fellow Stevens 320 owner here). Underneath the hood, Benelli and Stoeger semiautos use the same inertia action and work the same way. The operation of a semi-auto shotgun is simpler than any manually operated shotgun. When . The Stoeger shot a nice 60/40 pattern, just what many people prefer, and delivered a solid 80-percent pattern at that distance with Federal Speed Shok 3-inch, 1 1/8-ounce, 1550-fps loads of No. The Stoeger m3500 inertia-driven shotgun thats an all-around solid hunting system. Unfortunately, no pics. If youre in a big rush to see our top picks, here they are: Benelli M4 (Most Expensive but nicest, ~$1800), Stoeger 3500 (Best Discount Option ~$650). Check out our Best Benelli M4 Upgrades article. Can be short-stroked, especially in a high-stress scenario, which causes a malfunction that can be difficult to clear. Far superior firepower with the mag fed, and the Turks have gotten this down pretty good these days for a VG price 1/5th the cost of the Benelli M4. I like them. Semi-automatic shotguns have a higher likelihood of jamming than pump and break-action shotguns. When it comes to making shotguns that are dependable and ergonomically designed, few manufacturers can compete with Beretta. Not everybody wants to spend $2,000 on a duck gun. We cover that in Best Shotgun Ammo. That is the M3. That said, my go to retirement gun is the Beretta Tx4 Storm, lighter in weight, holds the same number of rounds and I believe is about and inch or so shorter. If you want the fast powerful feeling of shooting multiple slugs quickly, then the semi-auto shotgun is for you. With the semi-automatic M3000 Freedom Series Defense shotgun, Stoeger has delivered again, giving the budget-minded shooter a lot shotgun for not a lot of money. . It can handle shells from 2 3/4- to 3 1/2-inch magnums reliably and is fitted with fiber optic sights and a shim kit to make the stock a little longer. Mine's sporting a 10 round tube, that actually seems to improve the balance and accuracy. I don't see the Browning Silver listed. The Benelli M4 is a proper combat shotgun with ghost ring adjustable sights and an optics mount. 5.0 (2) Stoeger M3020 20 Gauge Semiautomatic Shotgun . Dont get fooled by the price. . My M3000 runs the same ammo Benelli's do and chokes on the same ammo that Benelli's do. Call it a cop out or whatever you like, but I consider the absolute best 12 gauge shotgun to be made by Benelli and not on your list. Gas-powered shotguns take high-pressure gas released after firing and use it to cycle ammo, while recoil-operated shotguns utilize kinetic energy instead. While Benelli is known for inertia-based guns, the Benelli M4 uses an auto-regulating gas operating system. (Stevens 320 HD, Stoeger M3020, and RIA VR82). The Beretta is most likely a good serious use weapon as well. And in the budget category. I know a few guys over 6 foot that chose it over the M2 because of the handguard. Obviously, the grip cap is not a crucial part, but, only one gun had a piece fall off during the huntand that gun was the M3000. On March 8, 2021 at 2:17 pm, ArmyArmstrong said: I have the Beretta A400 and it is awesome. The Benelli SuperNova Tactical offers a pump-action shotgun tactically styled. The overall appearance of the gun is all black tactical. Ive never had a faster, more reliable semi-auto shotgun. Got a 20 Silver. Works perfectly! . Benelli Italy; Benelli LE; Find a Stoeger Dealer. The worst thing about this shotgun is the MSRP of $2,000. All the men and the women carried them. Ships To Store. Its a straightforward, no-frills inertia gun that sells at a price that wont make you feel bad about dropping it in the mud. With its semi-humpback receiver, the Stoeger M3000 has pleasing-enough lines, but theres no question its a lower-priced gun when you look at it closely. The SA-08 Deluxe, depending on the gauge, weighs between 5 and 6 pounds. Update my browser now The Benelli M2 was not mentioned, which is the workhorse of the 3 gun circuit. I got mine a few years back for just over 600 from out of state dealer with shipping and ffl transfer to my local gun dealer. Fits: Super Black Eagle 1, 2 and 3, M1 Super 90, M2, M4, Sport II, Super Sport, Cordoba, Montefeltro, Nova, SuperNova, Legacy, Ethos series, and Vinci models. You cant keep the thing from going bang. Where's the DDI 12? I'm not really interested in a 3.5 inch, it's just crazy the Benelli is so much more. For these manufacturers listed below, most original Benelli parts, and most aftermarket . You must log in or register to reply here. (Thanks Midway.) The Model 3000, like many less expensive guns, has its fans and its detractors. Am considering the Stoeger M3500, but am glad I read this, because I'll take a look at the Weatherby SA 08 before making a purchase. This means that semi-automatic shotguns are becoming more reliable, making them great for self-defense situations. He has the P3K signature edition from MOA Precision and it is his favorite gun. A plus is it takes Benelli M2 drop in parts, my has the Taran Tactical lifter, safety and extended bolt release. Is the TX4 Storm and the 1301T the same gun? No Winter Lasts Forever. A lot of new models coming out with tons of features and some really impressive designs. That is also because these are the shotguns Im familiar with and I even own a few of these. Mossberg added an extended elevator and removed the notch that always seems to catch our digits when loading. If I had to decide between the Monty or the Stoeger, I would buy the Monty. Shotguns. It is hard to beat the M3000 for the money. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7b9d095aa8642d04 Both work great the mossberg may be a better value on price. The M4 is gas driven. In 12 gauge. It comes standard with a picatinny rail and pistol-grip stock. June 1, 2022 5:32 am Reply Drew. Benelli M2 in John Wick 3. You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. No thanks. Before I share my top picks with you, we need to discuss the Browning Auto 5. Give it a rating below! Not complaining but this IS a new gun. Its hard to beat the Tavor TS-12 with its bull pup design and 15 + 1 capacity for defense. Using either the recoil or the high-pressure gases from the shells fired, the used cartridge is ejected and a new one is loaded in. Strip off all the parts from the original and install them on your new A&S Facilitates loading shells by enlarging loading area/ramp. Plus the Best Silencer on the Market. When I was shopping for a 3 gun shotgun, I had decided that I wanted an inertia as they seem to be the most reliable. Both good guns. Would like to see how the Weatherby feels weight wise before making a purchase now. Thanks to the patent for the Benelli M4 expiring, Turkish manufacturers have introduced options that can be had in the $600'ish-$800'ish price range, bringing an option to those not sure if they want to spend $2k+ on a semi auto tube fed shotgun. . Where's the Circuit Judge? Sold it and browning owes me $500 I lost on the trade! The 3000s predecessor, the 2000, was one of the first Turkish-made shotguns to see widespread use in the U.S., starting right around 2001. My history in that area is very weak, sorry. Action-shooting athletes in competitions like 3-Gun benefit greatly from the high fire rate of a semi-auto. If you wanted to go with something cheaper (uglier too!) If anyone has another shotgun theyd like to add to the list, drop it in a comment below. RSS feed for comments on this post. Listing below $600, it puts you into an inertia gun for very little money compared to other brands. The P3000's relative lightness of being means there's less mass to soak up that jolt. In the case of the Girsan, it was a pleasant surprise, with build quality and machining well done, right at the Benelli . Even though Stoeger does make a target model of the gun, the biggest advantage of shooting a semiauto at clays is recoil reduction, and inertia guns dont reduce recoil anywhere as much as gas guns do. Additionally, both Benelli and Stoeger Mobil chokes are compatible with the following Beretta shotguns: Beretta 301, 302, 303, 390, older 391 . #1 reason, home defense. You cannot paste images directly. I can dump eleven rounds through one hole REALLY fast. It happened twice. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. When fitted with ComforTech technology, shooters will experience nearly 50% less recoil, which can make competition shooting much more comfortable. A semi-auto shotgun does the work for you. Were going to dig into just why you would want a semi-automatic shotgun, the pitfalls, and how to choose the best one for your needs. Another option would be finding a good used Remington 1100. With its drilled and tapped receiver adding versatility, the M3000 makes a sound choice for someone who doesnt want to spend a lot on a shotgun they can use for more than one type of hunting. i just like the original 12 gauge pump you all want the fancy shotguns just get a mossberg with a wooden pump and stock. Or do you mean malfunctions? In the same area, Mossberg enlarged the loading port by beveling the edges. A more complex design makes them heavier and difficult to clean, especially for beginners. This action is one of the best ever developed and . When it comes to tactical shotguns, you know that Benelli is a name you can trust. Im biased towards the 1301 coz i got one, my marine version has not had any single malfunction on any load i put in it, i mean really cheap loads. Of course you can have problems with any gun at any price point, but it seems that the less you spend, the greater the chance you might get a bad one. My son picked it because he shot it better than the M2 (and the 1301 and VM) and it was a lot easier for him to load. Would you all mind giving some info on how the Stoeger semis that have caught on so much with you 3-gunners, are different than the Benelli M1 and M2 shotguns that many other 3-gunners swear by and have used for many years? 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